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Stone bar tops in Cann Hall

A bar top takes weight on its front edge all evening, so the overhang and what carries it matter more than the slab does.

  • 5.0from 26 Google reviews
  • 25-year material · 5-year workmanship
  • Fitted 5-10 working days from template

Cann Hall kitchens

The buildings and streets around Cann Hall

Victorian terraceconverted terrace flatsmall post-war infill

A survey is where stone bar top work in Cann Hall stops being a guess, because until someone has stood in the kitchen nobody knows what it is going to ask for. Tightly packed terraces with narrow back additions, giving galley kitchens of 2m to 2.6m where the fridge often ends up in the through room. Conversions to upper and lower flats are widespread, so kitchens sit in rooms with awkward chimney breasts and no external door. It is not your job to know which one it is. Ask for the survey and the measurements will tell us both.

The rear wall of the addition carries both the back door and the window, which leaves very little unbroken wall for a run to sit against. What carries a bar top here is rarely a kitchen carcass, so the framing underneath gets looked at before anything is measured across the top of it. Stool height and knee room are settled on the drawing.

Cornice runs round the head of the wall, so the wall units stop under it and the splashback band is trapped between two things that are not going to move. In a cellar the headroom fixes the counter height first and everything else works back from it, and the stair down is the tightest part of the route because stone carried downward is harder to control than stone carried up. Blockwork holds a fixing and plasterboard does not.

The mix here is Victorian terrace, converted terrace flat and small post-war infill. Knowing which one it is before we arrive is half the survey done.

True everywhere

Stone bar tops, in short

  • Anything past about 300mm of unsupported overhang gets steel or a corbel underneath.
  • The front edge is the one people touch, so it is profiled and polished on all exposed faces.
  • Quartz is the usual choice indoors; porcelain and sintered stone where drinks and citrus are constant.
  • A bar top is fitted level to itself, not to the floor, because floors in older buildings rarely are.
Borough
Waltham Forest
Postcodes
E11
Covered on
our east London run
Fitted
5–10 working days from template

The place

Why Cann Hall is its own job

A plan drawn off a floor plan will not tell you what a fit in Cann Hall actually involves, so we come and look. Streets are narrow with permit bays on both sides and heavy overspill parking from the surrounding area, so getting kerb space within 20 metres of the door is the usual challenge. No side access on most houses, and rear gardens back directly onto each other. Chimney breasts in converted flat kitchens mean two short pieces and a return rather than one continuous run, and both need individual templating. All of it is priced before you commit to anything, and the itemised quote shows exactly where the awkward parts of the job are and what they add.

The work

What bar tops involves

What is covered is the template, the machining, the support fixed into the frame and the fitting, with the frame itself either built by us as joinery or by whoever is already on site. Where the front edge reaches past what the frame will carry, flat steel is let in flush with the bearing face or corbels are fixed to structure, and which of the two is agreed with you rather than decided on the morning. You are left with a counter level along its own length whatever the floor beneath it is doing, which is what stops a glass wandering across the surface.

Bar work is joinery with a stone surface on it, and the joinery is the half that decides whether the surface behaves itself. A bonded apron on the front is mitred and clamped on the bench, which is how a slab comes to read as a heavy counter without weighing what one would. The hall and the turn at the stairs cap how long a single piece can be, which is why a long counter here arrives as two pieces with a planned break. Every face somebody can see is finished.

Undermounted sink cut-out in a quartz worktop
Sink cut-outsSee the options

The money

What it costs in Cann Hall

Material choice moves the figure less than the detail does, and on a bar the detail means the apron, the radius and whatever sits under the front edge. In a galley the runs are short and the cut-outs are close together, so the fixed operations carry more of the total than the stone does. A per square metre figure of £110 to £550 describes stone, not a worktop. What turns one into the other is machining and a fitting day, and both are listed as themselves. You see what the projection costs before agreeing to it.

Victorian and Edwardian terraces

The carry, and what it rules out

Where the garden is level and the back door is wide the pieces get staged outside on trestles and brought in one at a time as the fitters are ready for them. A bar is usually one of the last pieces to go in, so the route has to still be clear on a day when the rest of the room is finished. A polished front edge is protected from the tail lift to the frame.

Victorian and Edwardian terraces

What Cann Hall asks for

We rank the domestic jobs against a neighbourhood's building stock, and this is not one of them. For the record, the stock here asks for worktop templating, worktop replacement and worktop splashbacks & upstands. The commercial work is surveyed and fitted to the same standard.

Victorian and Edwardian terraces

Cann Hall in the housing figures

On these streets the council tax banding sits at the bottom of the London range. Every room starts from scratch as a result. A bar added at the end of a project is templated on a visit of its own, once the joinery around it has stopped moving. Steel where the projection runs past what a carcass will hold.

Access

Getting stone into a Cann Hall kitchen

Streets are narrow with permit bays on both sides and heavy overspill parking from the surrounding area, so getting kerb space within 20 metres of the door is the usual challenge. No side access on most houses, and rear gardens back directly onto each other.

Tell us what the approach looks like when you book the template and it gets built into the day rather than discovered on it. Where the route is genuinely tight, it changes how the pieces are cut, which is a fabrication decision rather than a delivery one.

5–10 working days

From template to fitted, working days from template. The same on this patch as every other.

east London patch

Cann Hall is covered on our east London run, along with the rest of Waltham Forest.

We come to you

Templated in your kitchen, cut in our workshop, fitted by our own installers.

Access told straight

If the route forces an extra join, you hear that at quote stage, not on the day.

Questions

Questions we get asked in Cann Hall

If yours is not here, ring and ask. You get a straight answer rather than a call-back from a salesperson.

Is Cann Hall far enough out to be a problem for you?

Yes. Cann Hall is on the patch, and the postcodes we work here are E11. It is worked on our east London run, along with the rest of Waltham Forest. A resident bay and a shared-use bay can sit on the same street under different rules, and it is usually the shared one a visitor permit or a ticket touches. That has to cover more than the unload, since the corbels, the flat bar and the fixings all come off the van well before the top does. Nothing is rushed off a tail lift onto an unsupported nose. Your part of it happens entirely at home, with nothing to travel to and nothing to bring back.

What should I expect from bar tops in a Cann Hall kitchen?

The chimney breast is usually still standing with the opening blocked up, and the alcoves either side of it are rarely the same width as each other. A bar in one of these houses is either the end of a through-lounge or a cellar conversion, and the two behave differently. A trade bar and a home bar are different pieces of work. Old breasts carry a bulge low down where the original opening was closed up, and the units stand off it before the stone is measured at all. On a bar that counts twice over, because the same obstruction has to be cleared by the stone above it and by the knees of whoever is sitting at it. A sloping floor is a problem for the stools, not the top.

How would you get a worktop into a property in Cann Hall?

Grass and gravel will not take a loaded trolley, so a boarded track gets laid from the gate to the door before the first piece moves. That matters more on a bar than on a run, because a join forced by the way in cannot be allowed to land in the unsupported part of the nose. Nothing is leaned on a stud wall while it waits to be fitted. A shared-use bay allows a paid stay up to a set maximum, and that maximum is routinely shorter than the working day the job needs. A trade bar is fitted around opening times, so the window the van has and the window the room has are rarely the same window. Two trips to the van, one for hardware and one for stone.

Is Cann Hall really a bar tops area?

No, not particularly, and it would be easy to say otherwise. What the research on this patch actually lists is worktop templating, worktop replacement and worktop splashbacks & upstands. That is the local housing talking rather than anything about the job. It is priced, cut and fitted no differently here than anywhere else we cover. Studio and one-bed conversions put the whole kitchen against a single wall, so the job is one run and everything depends on that one length. A bar is nearly always the last thing added to a project, so it is templated on a visit of its own once the joinery around it has stopped moving. Nothing is assumed about a frame somebody else built. A kitchen carved out of a larger room sits under whatever the original plan left behind, so the run frequently ends at a blocked doorway or a boxed-in service. Where the same detail is repeating across several rooms the support gets standardised once and then cut to length, which is cheaper than drawing it each time. The overhang is checked against the frame that exists.

What moves the number on a quote around here?

Where the sink and the hob face each other across the aisle, everything carried between them crosses the walkway, and that is the one movement the shape cannot design out. A bar laid over that is a second level rather than a wider one, so it wants a spine underneath it and a settled detail where the two heights meet. A foot rail is planned with the frame, not bolted on later. The material band is £110 to £550 per square metre supply only, and templating, fabrication and fitting are quoted on their own lines.

What state does a Cann Hall kitchen have to be in before you template?

Two alcove pieces will not swap over however similar they look, so they are marked left and right at the bench and stay that way to the van. A bar top is levelled to itself rather than to what it stands on, so the packing goes into the frame and the stools take up whatever the floor is doing. What the bar wraps around is templated, never assumed square. Send the length you want, the number of stools, and photographs walking from the pavement through to the room, including the cellar stair if the bar is going down there. Some doors in a building need a consent letter and some need nothing at all, so the first question is which arrangement applies here rather than which one is usual. A home bar is discretionary work, so the edge profile, the corbel detail and the radius on the nose are worth settling properly rather than defaulting to whatever is quickest. The support is specified for the next occupant as well.

Do you quote Cann Hall jobs by the square metre?

The edge profile is its own line, so a shaped edge and a square one are two different figures. No installed price per square metre is published, because it is not a real number. What is quoted is what the drawing says, and the figure does not move unless the drawing does. A chimney breast left in place splits a wall into two alcoves, and the two are rarely the same width and rarely parallel to each other. Where the nose has to be carried past something fixed the support moves rather than the stone, since a corbel landing in the knee space is worse than no corbel at all. The support plan is drawn at the same time as the cut-out.

What do drainer grooves add to the job?

They read strongly across a dark stone and are nearly invisible on a pale one, so look before deciding. Grooves are machined in the workshop at the same time as the bowl cut-out, because they cannot be done well in a kitchen. On a porous stone the grooved area is sealed with the rest, and it gets wet more than anything else. Lower ground floor kitchens are reached by a stair with a winder in it, and the head height over that winder is lower than the room at either end. A bar top put into a room like that is an overhang question first, because the nose has to carry people leaning on it long after the slab has stopped being interesting. The overhang decides the bar, and the bar decides the stone.

Do I have to get rid of the old tops myself in Cann Hall?

Tiling bonded to the wall behind usually comes away with the old top, so that wall is agreed beforehand. Disposal means it goes in the van, not into the garden to wait for a collection. The template can be taken with the old top still down, which is why one visit covers both. Camera enforcement gives nobody the chance to explain, where an officer on foot at least sees a tail lift down and stone coming off it. Where the clock is running the frame is levelled and the steel is in before the top ever leaves the tail lift. Trestles outside beat balancing a top on a half-built frame.

How do you cut out for an undermounted sink?

A Belfast or butler sink has to be installed and at its final height before the template, because the stone is cut to sit on it. Each cut-out is priced on its own line, so a range, a bowl and a half, a boiling tap and a drainer are four items rather than one. A run that stops in mid-air at the open end needs a finished end rather than a cut one, and that end takes the same edge work as the whole front. Where the counter runs flush with the working surface instead of standing above it the whole thing becomes one plane, which looks better and doubles the unsupported span. What the shape gives in length it takes back in support.

Reviews

5.0 from 26 Google reviews

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We had a fantastic experience with Worktop WorX from start to finish. The team was professional, friendly, and delivered excellent workmanship. We chose the beautiful Capri White worktop, and it has completely transformed our kitchen with its elegant, high-end look.

Noni

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Karem did a fantastic job at installing my antique bronze mirror for my coffee/drinks unit. He was really professional and his communication throughout was clear.

Kals

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We have a new kitchen. Our builder recommended Worktop Worx for our worktop. Now we have an amazing worktop very good price too. Really recommend. They were really good to us. 10/10

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Next step

Stone bar tops in Cann Hall, priced properly

Plans, a sketch or photographs with rough run lengths is enough to start. You get an itemised written quote and the template dates we can offer on this patch.

25-year material warranty and a 5-year workmanship guarantee, both stated on your quote.

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