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Stone bar tops in Hyde Park Estate

A bar top takes weight on its front edge all evening, so the overhang and what carries it matter more than the slab does.

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  • 25-year material · 5-year workmanship
  • Fitted 5-10 working days from template

Hyde Park Estate kitchens

The buildings and streets around Hyde Park Estate

stucco terrace1960s estate blockmews house

Anyone who has already replaced a kitchen in Hyde Park Estate will tell you that stone bar top work is decided by the room long before anyone opens a colour chart. The Tyburnia stucco houses have basement or lower-ground kitchens, while the post-war blocks on the estate have generously sized but plain kitchens with a straight 3m run and a separate utility cupboard. Mews houses squeeze a galley into the old carriage floor with a 2.2m run and a fold-out table. Send through a photograph or two and the rough run length. We will tell you what you are probably dealing with.

A picture rail, a deep skirting and a moulded architrave all sit in the way of anything that assumes flat wall from floor to ceiling. What carries a bar top here is rarely a kitchen carcass, so the framing underneath gets looked at before anything is measured across the top of it. Nothing about a bar top is designed around a wall.

Listing and conservation conditions apply to a good number of these, which constrains what can be altered around the kitchen rather than what goes on top of the units. A bar in a house of this age is usually either the end of a through-lounge or a cellar conversion, and the cellar is the harder of the two because the headroom fixes the counter height before anybody else gets a say. Old floors move, so the bar is fixed back as well as down.

The building types here are stucco terrace, 1960s estate block and mews house. Which one you have changes the order of the day more than the design does.

True everywhere

Stone bar tops, in short

  • Anything past about 300mm of unsupported overhang gets steel or a corbel underneath.
  • The front edge is the one people touch, so it is profiled and polished on all exposed faces.
  • Quartz is the usual choice indoors; porcelain and sintered stone where drinks and citrus are constant.
  • A bar top is fitted level to itself, not to the floor, because floors in older buildings rarely are.
Borough
City of Westminster
Postcodes
W2
Covered on
our central London run
Fitted
5–10 working days from template

The place

Why Hyde Park Estate is its own job

What we want to establish about your kitchen in Hyde Park Estate is how we get to it and what we will be fixing against. Blocks have underground parking with a 2m height barrier and a residents' lift, so the slab either comes down the ramp on a low-loader or gets walked from the street. Mews are cobbled and narrow with residents parked nose-in and no turning space. Cobbled mews destroy trolley wheels and shake a slab - carry across the cobbles by hand rather than wheeling it, every time. It gets measured, drawn, agreed and priced, in that order, and you sign the drawing off before the workshop puts a blade near the slab.

The work

What bar tops involves

A stone bar top covers the surface and what carries it: the top itself, the edge profile on every face that shows, and the steel or corbels holding the projection up. The top is machined at the works with the front edge, the ends and the underside all profiled and polished, since every one of those faces is at eye level from a stool. You are left with a counter level along its own length whatever the floor beneath it is doing, which is what stops a glass wandering across the surface.

The piece is open on the front, the ends and the underside, which is the reverse of a kitchen run that hides three of its four edges against something. A bar sink, a drip tray or a socket through the surface is machined at the works with radiused internal corners, exactly as a kitchen cut-out would be. In a house of this age the bar generally stands in a through-lounge or a cellar, and neither floor is flat enough to set a frame down on without packing it. Drawn from the stool and worked back to the wall.

Undermounted sink cut-out in a quartz worktop
Sink cut-outsSee the options

The money

What it costs in Hyde Park Estate

Two counters of the same length price very differently depending on how far the front edge reaches, because past a certain point the carcass stops carrying it and steel starts. Short lengths nest well and waste little, so the material line is usually the kindest part of a galley quote. The rate is £110 to £550 per square metre supply only, though what you buy is slabs rather than square metres, which is why the material line follows the yield and not the tape. A bar is quoted as a bar, not as extra worktop.

Victorian and Edwardian terraces

The carry, and what it rules out

The barrier, the entry code and the estate rules decide when a van can get near the door, and none of that is negotiable on the day. That matters more on a bar than on a run, because a join forced by the way in cannot be allowed to land in the unsupported part of the nose. The frame is built in the room; only the top has to travel.

Victorian and Edwardian terraces

The shape of the run

Galley runs are usually short enough to come out of a single slab, so the material band you choose does more to the total than the room shape does. Where the counter runs flush with the working surface instead of standing above it the whole thing becomes one plane, which looks better and doubles the unsupported span. A raised tier is a second piece, priced and drawn as one.

Victorian and Edwardian terraces

What Hyde Park Estate asks for

Not a domestic job, so it is not ranked against the streets around it. Those streets generate worktop replacement, worktop templating and worktop installation. Same slabs, same saw, same installers.

Access

Getting stone into a Hyde Park Estate kitchen

Blocks have underground parking with a 2m height barrier and a residents' lift, so the slab either comes down the ramp on a low-loader or gets walked from the street. Mews are cobbled and narrow with residents parked nose-in and no turning space.

Tell us what the approach looks like when you book the template and it gets built into the day rather than discovered on it. Where the route is genuinely tight, it changes how the pieces are cut, which is a fabrication decision rather than a delivery one.

5–10 working days

From template to fitted, working days from template. The same on this patch as every other.

central London patch

Hyde Park Estate is covered on our central London run, along with the rest of Westminster.

We come to you

Templated in your kitchen, cut in our workshop, fitted by our own installers.

Access told straight

If the route forces an extra join, you hear that at quote stage, not on the day.

Questions

Questions we get asked in Hyde Park Estate

If yours is not here, ring and ask. You get a straight answer rather than a call-back from a salesperson.

Do you cover Hyde Park Estate?

Yes. Hyde Park Estate is on the patch, and the postcodes we work here are W2. It is worked on our central London run, along with the rest of Westminster. Where parking runs down both sides the road is left as a single lane, and a van standing in it has to be somewhere it does not stop a bin lorry. That has to cover more than the unload, since the corbels, the flat bar and the fixings all come off the van well before the top does. Bar tops are set once, so the day is planned to allow it. Your part of it happens entirely at home, with nothing to travel to and nothing to bring back.

Does the housing in Hyde Park Estate change how bar tops works?

A basement kitchen has a flagged or concrete floor laid straight onto the ground, so it is solid, cold and rarely within ten millimetres of level. A bar in one of these houses is either the end of a through-lounge or a cellar conversion, and the two behave differently. A bar in a small room is drawn for the stools it will take. Plaster thickness varies over the height of a wall, so the line at worktop height is not the line at skirting level, and the units decide which one matters. On a bar that counts twice over, because the same obstruction has to be cleared by the stone above it and by the knees of whoever is sitting at it. The frame is made true before the stone is measured.

How does the stone actually reach a kitchen in Hyde Park Estate?

Estate roads are often too tight for a long-wheelbase van to turn, so the carry starts a good deal further from the door than a map suggests. The steel and the corbels travel that same route and go in first, so a bar is three separate carries into one room rather than a single delivery. Cellar bars go down a flight, which is the harder direction. With no scheme to work with there is nothing to book and nobody to ring, so the only levers left are an early arrival and a word with the neighbours. A trade bar is fitted around opening times, so the window the van has and the window the room has are rarely the same window. Where the bay is timed, the support goes in first.

Would you call Hyde Park Estate a bar tops area?

Not particularly, and it would be easy to pretend otherwise. What the research on this patch actually lists is worktop replacement, worktop templating and worktop installation. That is a point about the buildings round here, not about the job. The quoting, the cutting and the fitting are identical here to anywhere else we work. The junction between the original room and the extension is the point to watch, because the two floors rarely sit at the same height. A bar is nearly always the last thing added to a project, so it is templated on a visit of its own once the joinery around it has stopped moving. A bar is templated after the joinery has stopped moving. Extension kitchens are usually specified long before they are buildable, so the run lengths on the drawing and the run lengths in the room are different numbers. Where the same detail is repeating across several rooms the support gets standardised once and then cut to length, which is cheaper than drawing it each time. The support detail is agreed with whoever builds the frame.

What am I actually paying for, line by line?

The walkway between the two runs is fixed by the units either side, so any overhang added to one worktop comes straight off the space somebody has to stand in. A bar laid over that is a second level rather than a wider one, so it wants a spine underneath it and a settled detail where the two heights meet. The stool positions go on the drawing before the join does. The stone is £110 to £550 per square metre supply only, and templating, fabrication and fitting are quoted separately.

Is there anything I have to finish before the template in Hyde Park Estate?

Two walls each a degree out give an internal corner two degrees out, and the whole of that error lands in the mitre. A bar top is levelled to itself rather than to what it stands on, so the packing goes into the frame and the stools take up whatever the floor is doing. Anything that flexes under the nose shows up at the join. Send the length you want, the number of stools, and photographs walking from the pavement through to the room, including the cellar stair if the bar is going down there. Where ownership is split across a building, the common parts belong to someone else and the carry route is negotiated rather than assumed. A home bar is discretionary work, so the edge profile, the corbel detail and the radius on the nose are worth settling properly rather than defaulting to whatever is quickest. Stools change; the nose does not.

Will you fit stone onto units that are not level?

A long top on units that were shimmed once and never checked is the commonest version of this, and it is cheap to fix beforehand. Small variation is taken up by packing under the top on the fitting day. A sloping floor is not the problem. The plane the unit tops finish in is. A scribe has a working limit, and past twenty millimetres or so the back edge starts eating depth the run cannot spare. Where the nose has to be carried past something fixed the support moves rather than the stone, since a corbel landing in the knee space is worse than no corbel at all. A column in the middle of a bar is a decision, not a surprise.

Who removes the old worktop in a Hyde Park Estate kitchen?

Tiling bonded to the wall behind usually comes away with the old top, so that wall is agreed beforehand. On a replacement the old top comes off in the morning and the new stone is down and sealed the same day. The carcasses stay put. Only the surface changes. Unrestricted kerbside is straightforward as long as the space in front of the property is actually clear when the van arrives. Where the clock is running the frame is levelled and the steel is in before the top ever leaves the tail lift. The stone comes off last because it goes down last.

Where will the joins be?

Join count is a question about slab size and run length, nothing else. There are only ever a few legal positions, and the one taken is furthest from the light. Join count and position are settled from the template drawing rather than improvised on the fitting day. Both runs are in view at the same time, so the two pieces are taken off the same area of slab and the veining is set to run the same way on each side. The seating side is the part that decides the piece, because a stool at the open end puts a load on a corner that a wall would otherwise have been carrying. A flush bar is one plane and twice the overhang problem.

What do drainer grooves add to the job?

They read strongly across a dark stone and are nearly invisible on a pale one, so look before deciding. Which side of the bowl they go is about how you stand at the sink, and it is settled before cutting. On a porous stone the grooved area is sealed with the rest, and it gets wet more than anything else. The rear wall of the addition carries both the back door and the window, which leaves very little unbroken wall for a run to sit against. A bar top put into a room like that is an overhang question first, because the nose has to carry people leaning on it long after the slab has stopped being interesting. The underside of the nose is polished because it is looked at.

Reviews

5.0 from 26 Google reviews

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Karem did an excellent job on my kitchen. He was professional, reliable, and paid great attention to detail. The finish looks amazing and has completely transformed my kitchen. Thank you! Would highly recommend his work!

Catalina Radu

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Excellent work and highly recommend. Very professional and did an outstanding job with my worktop. Karem responded very quickly and swiftly, top guy!

Faisal K

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Perfect service,the best on this job

Kleant Istrefi

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Next step

Stone bar tops in Hyde Park Estate, priced properly

Plans, a sketch or photographs with rough run lengths is enough to start. You get an itemised written quote and the template dates we can offer on this patch.

25-year material warranty and a 5-year workmanship guarantee, both stated on your quote.

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