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Stone bar tops in St Johns

A bar top takes weight on its front edge all evening, so the overhang and what carries it matter more than the slab does.

  • 5.0from 26 Google reviews
  • 25-year material · 5-year workmanship
  • Fitted 5-10 working days from template

St Johns kitchens

The buildings and streets around St Johns

Victorian terraceVictorian semi-detached villa1970s low-rise estate1990s infill

People ring us about stone bar top work in St Johns at the point where they have a kitchen in mind and no idea what their own walls are going to do to it. Modest Victorian terraces and some larger semis caught between the railway lines; kitchens are usually the back addition at 2.2m to 2.8m wide, and narrow plots limit side returns so most jobs stay inside the original footprint. Nothing gets cut from a description. It gets cut from a template taken off the units once they are in.

A hundred and forty years of alterations sit under the current kitchen, and the worktop is what has to sit flat on top of all of it. Height is the other half of it, since a bar sits above the working plane and the knee room beneath is measured from the face of the frame, not from the edge of the stone. Support under the overhang comes first on the drawing.

The outrigger shares a party wall with the addition next door for its whole length, so one long side of the kitchen is solid brick with another kitchen on the far side of it. A bar in a house of this age is usually either the end of a through-lounge or a cellar conversion, and the cellar is the harder of the two because the headroom fixes the counter height before anybody else gets a say. The frame is built to the room and the stone answers to the frame.

The stock we template in here is Victorian terrace, Victorian semi-detached villa, 1970s low-rise estate and 1990s infill. Which of those you have decides most of what follows.

True everywhere

Stone bar tops, in short

  • Anything past about 300mm of unsupported overhang gets steel or a corbel underneath.
  • The front edge is the one people touch, so it is profiled and polished on all exposed faces.
  • Quartz is the usual choice indoors; porcelain and sintered stone where drinks and citrus are constant.
  • A bar top is fitted level to itself, not to the floor, because floors in older buildings rarely are.
Borough
Lewisham
Postcodes
SE8, SE4
Covered on
our south east London run
Fitted
5–10 working days from template

The place

Why St Johns is its own job

Every area has its own complications, and in St Johns these are the ones that decide the day. Railway viaducts and changes of level carve the area into pockets with few through routes, and parking is permit-controlled; short carries, awkward navigation. Narrow plots mean side returns rarely happen, most of the work here is making a 2.4m galley work harder. The awkward conversation belongs at your kitchen table at the quote stage, not over a half-fitted worktop.

The work

What bar tops involves

A stone bar top covers the surface and what carries it: the top itself, the edge profile on every face that shows, and the steel or corbels holding the projection up. On the day the frame is checked and packed, the support goes in, and the stone is set and sealed last, which is why a bar is booked as a day rather than as a delivery. You end up with knee room somebody can genuinely sit in, since the support was set out to the stool positions rather than screwed on wherever it was convenient.

A bar is drawn outward from the seat, because where somebody sits fixes the height, the knee room and how far the front edge has to reach. Quartz is the usual choice for a home bar. Where citrus, wine and strong cleaning products are constant, porcelain and sintered stone hold their surface better. The back is scribed to whatever the plaster does, and the front is set out from a line of its own. Supported first, polished second, fitted last.

Undermounted sink cut-out in a quartz worktop
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The money

What it costs in St Johns

A bar is quoted as joinery and stone together, so the frame, the support and the top each appear on the sheet instead of being folded into a rate for the surface. A side return gives length rather than width, so the runs are long, the joins are few and the slab has to be used efficiently. That £110 to £550 per square metre buys the slab and nothing else. Templating, machining, edges, cut-outs and the fitting day are counted and charged one by one. The steel under the front edge is a line, not an assumption.

Victorian and Edwardian terraces

The shape of the run

The wall between the original room and the return usually carries a steel, and the plaster line above it steps, so anything full height behind the run is measured separately from the top. A bar laid over that is a second level rather than a wider one, so it wants a spine underneath it and a settled detail where the two heights meet. A breakfast counter and a trade bar are not the same brief.

Victorian and Edwardian terraces

What St Johns asks for

Not a domestic job, so it is not ranked against the streets around it. Those streets generate worktop replacement, worktop templating and worktop fabrication. Same slabs, same saw, same installers.

Victorian and Edwardian terraces

St Johns in the housing figures

In this neighbourhood the inter-war years left little behind, so the familiar bay-and-return plan is rare on these jobs. Where the frame is site-built rather than a kitchen carcass, its plumb and its fixings are checked before the top is measured. The projection is the first line on the drawing.

Access

Getting stone into a St Johns kitchen

Railway viaducts and changes of level carve the area into pockets with few through routes, and parking is permit-controlled; short carries, awkward navigation.

Tell us what the approach looks like when you book the template and it gets built into the day rather than discovered on it. Where the route is genuinely tight, it changes how the pieces are cut, which is a fabrication decision rather than a delivery one.

5–10 working days

From template to fitted, working days from template. The same on this patch as every other.

south east London patch

St Johns is covered on our south east London run, along with the rest of Lewisham.

We come to you

Templated in your kitchen, cut in our workshop, fitted by our own installers.

Access told straight

If the route forces an extra join, you hear that at quote stage, not on the day.

Questions

Questions we get asked in St Johns

If yours is not here, ring and ask. You get a straight answer rather than a call-back from a salesperson.

Which postcodes do you cover around St Johns?

Yes. St Johns is on the patch, and the postcodes we work here are SE8, SE4. It is worked on our south east London run, along with the rest of Lewisham. Where the nearest legal space is a couple of streets back, the walk with each piece becomes the job, and the crew is sized for walking rather than wheeling. That has to cover more than the unload, since the corbels, the flat bar and the fixings all come off the van well before the top does. One van, one bar, one visit. The work comes to you. We template in your kitchen and fit in your kitchen, with nothing to visit or collect.

What do the kitchens in St Johns do to bar tops?

A soil stack is strapped to the outside of the addition wall and its branch comes through low, which settles where the sink can go before any layout is drawn. A bar in one of these houses is either the end of a through-lounge or a cellar conversion, and the two behave differently. A cellar bar is set to the headroom first. A scribe has a working limit, and past twenty millimetres or so the back edge starts eating depth the run cannot spare. On a bar that counts twice over, because the same obstruction has to be cleared by the stone above it and by the knees of whoever is sitting at it. Nothing under the nose is allowed to be in the way.

Do you have trouble getting long pieces into St Johns kitchens?

A hall radiator or a coat hook at shoulder height takes a hundred millimetres off the usable width, and a hundred millimetres is often the entire margin. That matters more on a bar than on a run, because a join forced by the way in cannot be allowed to land in the unsupported part of the nose. The frame is built in the room; only the top has to travel. Applying for a suspension means naming a length of kerb and a date, and moving the date generally means applying for it again. A trade bar is fitted around opening times, so the window the van has and the window the room has are rarely the same window. Where parking is tight the hardware walks in ahead of the stone.

Would you call St Johns a bar tops area?

Not particularly, and it would be easy to pretend otherwise. What the research on this patch actually lists is worktop replacement, worktop templating and worktop fabrication. That is a point about the buildings round here, not about the job. The quoting, the cutting and the fitting are identical here to anywhere else we work. Extension budgets are usually well spent by the time the worktop is ordered, which is where the choice between quartz and a thinner sintered stone actually gets made. A bar is nearly always the last thing added to a project, so it is templated on a visit of its own once the joinery around it has stopped moving. The brief changes, but the nose still has to be carried. Rear and side-return extensions are where the islands appear, and an island is the piece that decides whether one slab does the kitchen or two. Harder use and stronger cleaning products push the answer towards porcelain or sintered stone, because a resin-bound surface is the one that shows what has been left standing on it. Where the use is hard, the surface is chosen for it.

What decides the price of a worktop in St Johns?

A single long run down one side puts every cut-out in one piece, so the sink, the hob and any drainer grooves all take material out of the same length. Where the counter runs flush with the working surface instead of standing above it the whole thing becomes one plane, which looks better and doubles the unsupported span. A raised tier is a second piece, priced and drawn as one. The supply-only figure for material runs £110 to £550 per square metre, and templating, fabrication and fitting are lines of their own.

What do I need to sort out first?

Walls that bow along their length are the normal condition rather than the exception, and a straight-cut back edge will show a shadow gap at one end and touch at the other. A bar top is levelled to itself rather than to what it stands on, so the packing goes into the frame and the stools take up whatever the floor is doing. The back of a bar is seen, so the back is finished. Send the length you want, the number of stools, and photographs walking from the pavement through to the room, including the cellar stair if the bar is going down there. Where ownership is split across a building, the common parts belong to someone else and the carry route is negotiated rather than assumed. A home bar is discretionary work, so the edge profile, the corbel detail and the radius on the nose are worth settling properly rather than defaulting to whatever is quickest. Porcelain forgives the cleaning products a bar actually meets.

Can I have stone up the wall in a St Johns kitchen?

A full-height piece behind the hob has to allow for the extractor, so that gets settled first. Both are templated after the worktop is down and settled, because they are cut to the wall itself. An upstand is a slim strip that follows the worktop up the wall; a full-height splashback runs from the worktop to the underside of the wall units. The original scullery gully is still live in the yard outside the back door, and new waste from the sink joins a drain laid for a copper and a stone sink. In a cellar the headroom fixes the counter height first and everything else works back from it, and the stair down is the tightest part of the route because stone carried downward is harder to control than stone carried up. Old floors move, so the bar is fixed back as well as down.

What do you need from me for the sink and hob cut-outs?

If the sink or hob changes after the template, the drawing changes first and nothing is cut meanwhile. Nothing is cut out in the kitchen. Cutting a bowl on site is how worktops get cracked. Undermount bowls are cut and polished in the workshop and dry-fitted to the stone on the bench before anything is loaded. A galley run down a side-return extension usually measures longer than a slab will give in one length, so a join is designed in from the start rather than discovered. The seating side is the part that decides the piece, because a stool at the open end puts a load on a corner that a wall would otherwise have been carrying. The stool positions go on the drawing before the join does.

How much upkeep is a stone worktop?

Quartz carries resin, so a hot pan wants a trivet, while granite and sintered stone will take one without complaint. Quartz and sintered stone never need sealing: quartz is non-porous and sintered stone has effectively zero porosity. Granite tells you when the seal wants topping up: water stops beading on the surface and starts darkening it instead. The rear door swings inward across the end of the run, so the last few hundred millimetres of worktop are only reachable with the door shut. The floor is suspended timber, so the frame is fixed back to a wall as well as bearing down on the boards, or the whole thing shifts when somebody leans on the nose. A bar in a small room is drawn for the stools it will take.

Do you take on fitting-only work in St Johns?

If your own slab breaks there is no matching replacement to hand, and that is the real difference. Remnants bought elsewhere are the awkward case, because the drawing is then made to fit the stone. Templating, fabrication and fitting are the same three lines whether the stone came from us or from you. A new extension slab is not automatically level, and that wants checking before templating rather than after the stone is cut. The support has to be specified to whoever is building the frame before it is boarded up, since steel let in afterwards means taking the front of the bar apart again. A late bar is a separate visit and the quote says so.

Reviews

5.0 from 26 Google reviews

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Karem did an excellent job on my kitchen. He was professional, reliable, and paid great attention to detail. The finish looks amazing and has completely transformed my kitchen. Thank you! Would highly recommend his work!

Catalina Radu

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Excellent work and highly recommend. Very professional and did an outstanding job with my worktop. Karem responded very quickly and swiftly, top guy!

Faisal K

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Perfect service,the best on this job

Kleant Istrefi

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Next step

Stone bar tops in St Johns, priced properly

Plans, a sketch or photographs with rough run lengths is enough to start. You get an itemised written quote and the template dates we can offer on this patch.

25-year material warranty and a 5-year workmanship guarantee, both stated on your quote.

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