Southwark · SE1

Stone bar tops in Shad Thames

A bar top takes weight on its front edge all evening, so the overhang and what carries it matter more than the slab does.

  • 5-year workmanship · maker's commercial warranty
  • Fitted 5-10 working days from template

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Shad Thames kitchens

The buildings and streets around Shad Thames

We survey every kitchen before we price it, and the bar tops we take on in Shad Thames show why that is not just paperwork. Almost entirely converted warehouse apartments - split-level or double-height, with the kitchen run pinned along one wall between structural brick piers and cast-iron columns, so runs get broken into 1.8m to 2.4m sections rather than one continuous sweep, and breakfast bars replace full islands where the floor plate is narrow. The survey is the part where guessing stops. Everything after it is worked from real measurements taken in your own Shad Thames kitchen.

Open plan means long uninterrupted runs and an island in the middle of the room with every edge on show. What carries a bar top here is rarely a kitchen carcass, so the framing underneath gets looked at before anything is measured across the top of it. What the frame does under the stone is half the job.

Many of these kitchens are a fitted pod dropped into open floor, so three sides are free and only the fourth is ever scribed. This is the stock where a bar is most often a working one, with a glasswasher, a waste, a drip tray and beer lines all needing to be planned under the top before the piece is drawn. Where the walls give nothing, the bar stands on its own.

On this patch the buildings are 1880s tea and spice warehouse, 1980s Butlers Wharf conversion and 1990s riverside block. The differences between them show up at template, not at enquiry.

Worktop join finished flush against a wall
  • 1880s tea and spice warehouse
  • 1980s Butlers Wharf conversion
  • 1990s riverside block

True everywhere

Stone bar tops, in short

  • Anything past about 300mm of unsupported overhang gets steel or a corbel underneath.
  • Quartz is the usual choice indoors; porcelain and sintered stone where drinks and citrus are constant.
  • A bar top is fitted level to itself, not to the floor, because floors in older buildings rarely are.
  • Slabs come in finite sizes, so a run longer than one piece carries a join.
Borough
Southwark
Postcodes
SE1
Covered on
our south east London run
Fitted
5–10 working days from template

The place

Why Shad Thames is its own job

The survey in Shad Thames is looking at the route and the walls at least as hard as it is looking at the run itself. The street itself is cobbled and shaded by the overhead gantry bridges with no room to park a van beside the door; lifts are small original goods lifts or tight passenger cars, so oversized pieces have to be planned to fit the car diagonally or go up the stairs on edge. Measure the lift and the stair turn before you cut anything - a slab that fits the kitchen but not the lift is a wasted day here. That is the sort of thing we come and look at in Shad Thames before we quote, not after you have committed.

The work

What bar tops involves

It suits a home bar in a converted cellar or a lounge, a breakfast counter on the end of a run, and a working trade bar with a sink and a drip tray underneath. Where the front edge reaches past what the frame will carry, flat steel is let in flush with the bearing face or corbels are fixed to structure, and which of the two is agreed with you rather than decided on the morning. You are left with a counter level along its own length whatever the floor beneath it is doing, which is what stops a glass wandering across the surface.

Fitting a bar runs in three stages. The frame is checked and packed level, the support for the projection goes in, and only then does any stone come off the van. The top is levelled along its own length and packed off the frame, since a floor in an older building will not give a straight line to work from. Raw brick and steel give nothing to scribe against, so the counter is freestanding and every face of it is finished. Every face somebody can see is finished.

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The money

What it costs in Shad Thames

Two counters of the same length price very differently depending on how far the front edge reaches, because past a certain point the carcass stops carrying it and steel starts. Short lengths nest well and waste little, so the material line is usually the kindest part of a galley quote. Material runs from £110 to £550 per square metre supply only, and the template, fabrication and fitting are quoted on their own lines. Frame, support and top, each priced as itself.

warehouse and wharf conversions

The shape of the run

Older houses put the boiler or the meter on one of the two walls, and whatever is boxed in around it sets the point where that run has to stop. Where the counter runs flush with the working surface instead of standing above it the whole thing becomes one plane, which looks better and doubles the unsupported span. Stools need floor as well as knee room, and both are drawn.

warehouse and wharf conversions

What Shad Thames asks for

The building stock on this patch tells us nothing useful about this service, because this service is not driven by it. It is driven by worktop fabrication and worktop installation on the domestic side. The method does not change.

warehouse and wharf conversions

The building, and what it does to the job

Once the carcasses are levelled the gap under the plinth varies along the run, and that varying gap is the honest record of what the floor is doing. A door swinging into the seating zone quietly deletes somewhere a person could have perched, and that is far cheaper to spot on paper than on the day. Leaning is a sideways load and framing has to answer for it.

Access

Getting stone into a Shad Thames kitchen

Tell us what the approach looks like when you book the template and it gets built into the day rather than discovered on it. Where the route is genuinely tight, it changes how the pieces are cut, which is a fabrication decision rather than a delivery one.

5–10 working days

From template to fitted is 5–10 working days from template. The same on this patch as every other.

South east London patch

Shad Thames is covered on our south east London run, along with the rest of Southwark.

We come to you

Templated in your kitchen, cut in our workshop, fitted by our own installers.

Access told straight

If the route forces an extra join, you hear that at quote stage, not on the day.

Questions

Questions we get asked in Shad Thames

If yours is not here, ring and ask. You get a straight answer rather than a call-back from a salesperson.

01

Which postcodes do you cover around Shad Thames?

Yes. Shad Thames is on the patch, and the postcodes we work here are SE1. It is worked on our south east London run, along with the rest of Southwark. On a street with no restrictions the constraint is other residents rather than a warden, so it is worth putting a cone or a car out early. A bar fit runs longer than a worktop run, because the frame, the support and the stone are three stages and only the last of them is quick. The frame is checked before anything comes off the van. The measuring and the fitting are both done at the property, so there is nothing to visit or collect.

02

What is different about bar tops in Shad Thames?

Original brickwork is uneven by ten millimetres or more across a bay, so the back edge is scribed to the actual face rather than to a line. That changes the order of the job: the services are set out first, the frame is built round them, and the stone is machined to suit what is already there. A long counter is a beam before it is a surface. A wall line that runs level over a floor that does not means the finish closes up on the plinth at one end, which is joinery rather than something the stone can answer. On a bar that counts twice over, because the same obstruction has to be cleared by the stone above it and by the knees of whoever is sitting at it. Nothing under the nose is allowed to be in the way.

03

Is access a problem in Shad Thames?

Where the lift will not take the longest run we design a join in rather than gamble, because a piece that will not go up has to go back on the van. That matters more on a bar than on a run, because a join forced by the way in cannot be allowed to land in the unsupported part of the nose. A bar top is heavier than it looks because the apron is solid. A free-parking street with cars both sides can still leave the van forty metres away, and that distance is carry, not driving. That has to cover more than the unload, since the corbels, the flat bar and the fixings all come off the van well before the top does. A red route buys minutes and a bar top needs hours.

04

Does Shad Thames actually ask for bar tops?

Not really, and claiming otherwise would cost nothing and mean nothing. What the research on this patch actually lists is worktop fabrication and worktop installation. It reflects the local housing rather than any difference in the work. It is quoted, cut and fitted here the same way it is anywhere else on the patch. Kitchens go in near the end of a conversion, behind the plastering and the flooring, by which point the programme has already absorbed whatever slipped earlier. A bar is nearly always the last thing added to a project, so it is templated on a visit of its own once the joinery around it has stopped moving. A bar is templated after the joinery has stopped moving. Studio and one-bed conversions put the whole kitchen against a single wall, so the job is one run and everything depends on that one length. Where the same detail is repeating across several rooms the support gets standardised once and then cut to length, which is cheaper than drawing it each time. The support detail is agreed with whoever builds the frame.

05

What makes one Shad Thames kitchen dearer than the next?

The two runs are read against each other rather than against the floor, so they are set to one datum taken across the aisle instead of measured up from the boards. A bar laid over that is a second level rather than a wider one, so it wants a spine underneath it and a settled detail where the two heights meet. The bar length answers to the seats, not to the wall behind it. Material alone is £110 to £550 per square metre, and templating, fabrication and fitting are never folded into that figure.

06

What holds a template up more often than anything else?

Where two pieces meet over a fall in the floor the join has to be flush to the hand as well as true to the level, because the eye reads the join and forgives the room. A bar top is levelled to itself rather than to what it stands on, so the packing goes into the frame and the stools take up whatever the floor is doing. The back of a bar is seen, so the back is finished. Send the bar layout with the glasswasher, sink and waste positions marked, and tell us the route from where a van can stand to the room. The person choosing the surface is not the person who will cook on it, which argues for a finish that absorbs ordinary wear rather than one that rewards careful housekeeping. Where the person choosing it is not the person who will lean on it, the seating height is set to a standard rather than to whoever happens to be standing in the room. Stools change; the nose does not.

07

How many visits does a Shad Thames worktop take?

A template on a normal kitchen takes two to three hours in the room. The template is taken in your kitchen after the units are in and fixed, never before. No money changes hands before the template. These read as easy from the outside and rarely are, since the flat entrance is often tighter than the goods lift. A bar top put into a room like that is an overhang question first, because the nose has to carry people leaning on it long after the slab has stopped being interesting. Elbows and glasses, not knives and pans.

08

Is a drainer groove worth it in a small Shad Thames kitchen?

Machining is permanent. If a later kitchen moves the sink, the grooves stay where they were cut. Grooves are machined into the surface rather than applied to it, so there is nothing to come loose later. Grooves and an undermounted bowl are usually specified together, since the grooves are run to the bowl edge. Services coming up through a floor slab mean the island cannot move to suit the stone, so the stone is cut to suit the island. None of that stops a bar being fitted level, but it does mean the top is set to a datum of its own and packed off the frame rather than followed down to the floor. The seating side is the side the piece is drawn from.

09

Is taking the old top off part of the job?

An old stone top is heavier coming out than the new one is going in, and leaves in sections. If you want the old top kept for a garage or a utility, say so and it stays on site. The template can be taken with the old top still down, which is why one visit covers both. Where the van can pull up level with the gate the pieces are handled the fewest times, which is what actually protects them. A trade bar is fitted around opening times, so the window the van has and the window the room has are rarely the same window. Packaging and offcuts go back the way the top came in.

10

What maintenance does a worktop need in a Shad Thames kitchen?

The bead where the sink and hob meet the stone is siliconed rather than sealed, and wants watching. No maintenance visit is built into the job. Soap, water, and on the porous stones a seal. Marble is the one people underestimate. It is porous, like granite, and wants sealing. Steel columns and downstands land where the frame put them, which is frequently in the middle of what would otherwise be a clean run. This is the stock where a bar is most often a working one, with a glasswasher, a drip tray and beer lines under it rather than a place to put a laptop. Piece length is capped by the way in and the support follows.

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Next step

Stone bar tops in Shad Thames, priced properly

Plans, a sketch or photographs with rough run lengths is enough to start. You get an itemised written quote and the template dates we can offer on this patch.

25-year material warranty and a 5-year workmanship guarantee, both stated on your quote.