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Stone bar tops in Shortlands

A bar top takes weight on its front edge all evening, so the overhang and what carries it matter more than the slab does.

  • 5.0from 26 Google reviews
  • 25-year material · 5-year workmanship
  • Fitted 5-10 working days from template

Shortlands kitchens

The buildings and streets around Shortlands

Victorian villaEdwardian semi1930s detached1960s low-rise flats

We turn down very few bar tops in Shortlands, but we do insist on seeing the kitchen first, and the reason for that is in the rooms themselves. A lot of large period semis where the kitchen has been pushed out into a rear or side-return extension with bifolds, giving one long uninterrupted run and a small island or peninsula rather than a full one. Ceramic Belfast sinks with undermount cut-outs come up regularly on the period side. The survey is the part where guessing stops. Everything after it is worked from real measurements taken in your own Shortlands kitchen.

The side return was an outside toilet and a coal store before it was ever a kitchen, and the walls left over from that are half a brick thick. Every face of a bar is on show from a stool, so the front edge and the underside of the nose are profiled and polished rather than left as the saw finished them. Where the weight lands is worked out before the piece is cut.

A long piece has to come through the front door, down the hall, round the newel post and through a doorway with a step down into the addition. Getting a top through the hall and round the newel caps its length, so a long counter in one of these houses is drawn as two pieces with the break sitting over a corbel. The stone is the last element of the joinery, not the first.

The stock behind these kitchens runs to Victorian villa, Edwardian semi, 1930s detached and 1960s low-rise flats. The one you have sets the piece length before the kitchen does.

True everywhere

Stone bar tops, in short

  • Anything past about 300mm of unsupported overhang gets steel or a corbel underneath.
  • The front edge is the one people touch, so it is profiled and polished on all exposed faces.
  • Quartz is the usual choice indoors; porcelain and sintered stone where drinks and citrus are constant.
  • A bar top is fitted level to itself, not to the floor, because floors in older buildings rarely are.
Borough
Bromley
Postcodes
BR2
Covered on
our south east London run
Fitted
5–10 working days from template

The place

Why Shortlands is its own job

When we take on a kitchen in Shortlands the first thing we work out is how the stone reaches the room it is going in. The roads are hilly and narrow with parking on both sides, and several streets drop steeply from the road to the front door, so the carry is often downhill on wet steps rather than a flat approach. Where a slab has to be walked down a set of steep front steps we bring extra hands rather than trolley it, because a drop on a stone tread here is a broken piece every time. That is the sort of thing we come and look at in Shortlands before we quote, not after you have committed.

The work

What bar tops involves

It suits a home bar in a converted cellar or a lounge, a breakfast counter on the end of a run, and a working trade bar with a sink and a drip tray underneath. The top is machined at the works with the front edge, the ends and the underside all profiled and polished, since every one of those faces is at eye level from a stool. You are left with a counter level along its own length whatever the floor beneath it is doing, which is what stops a glass wandering across the surface.

Bar work is joinery with a stone surface on it, and the joinery is the half that decides whether the surface behaves itself. Fixings passing through a frame into a party wall or anything structural are agreed with whoever owns that wall before a hole is drilled. In a house of this age the bar generally stands in a through-lounge or a cellar, and neither floor is flat enough to set a frame down on without packing it. Supported first, polished second, fitted last.

Undermounted sink cut-out in a quartz worktop
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The money

What it costs in Shortlands

A bar top is priced from what holds it up as much as from the stone, because the steel, the corbels and the time spent fixing them are real lines rather than an allowance. Overhangs, a waterfall end and seating all add machining, and an island is where those decisions cluster. The stone is quoted at £110 to £550 per square metre supply only, and the labour is kept out of it deliberately, because a blended rate hides the lines you would otherwise question. A bar is quoted as a bar, not as extra worktop.

period detached houses and villas

The carry, and what it rules out

An inward-opening door swinging back against the wall leaves less clear opening than the frame measures, and a storm porch in front of it is tighter again. A bar is usually one of the last pieces to go in, so the route has to still be clear on a day when the rest of the room is finished. The nose is the corner that gets caught, so it travels padded.

period detached houses and villas

Shortlands in the housing figures

Across Shortlands, almost nothing has gone up in the last fifteen years, which makes the carcass check the first question rather than the last. Where the same detail repeats across several rooms the support is standardised once and cut to length afterwards. Fitted level to itself, whatever the floor does.

period detached houses and villas

What Shortlands asks for

Not a domestic job, so it is not ranked against the streets around it. Those streets generate worktop installation, worktop templating and worktop splashbacks & upstands. Same slabs, same saw, same installers.

Access

Getting stone into a Shortlands kitchen

The roads are hilly and narrow with parking on both sides, and several streets drop steeply from the road to the front door, so the carry is often downhill on wet steps rather than a flat approach.

Tell us what the approach looks like when you book the template and it gets built into the day rather than discovered on it. Where the route is genuinely tight, it changes how the pieces are cut, which is a fabrication decision rather than a delivery one.

5–10 working days

From template to fitted, working days from template. The same on this patch as every other.

south east London patch

Shortlands is covered on our south east London run, along with the rest of Bromley.

We come to you

Templated in your kitchen, cut in our workshop, fitted by our own installers.

Access told straight

If the route forces an extra join, you hear that at quote stage, not on the day.

Questions

Questions we get asked in Shortlands

If yours is not here, ring and ask. You get a straight answer rather than a call-back from a salesperson.

Do you actually work in Shortlands, or just list it?

Yes. Shortlands is on the patch, and the postcodes we work here are BR2. It is worked on our south east London run, along with the rest of Bromley. Where parking runs down both sides the road is left as a single lane, and a van standing in it has to be somewhere it does not stop a bin lorry. A bar fit runs longer than a worktop run, because the frame, the support and the stone are three stages and only the last of them is quick. One van, one bar, one visit. We come to the kitchen to template and again to fit, so there is nothing to visit and nothing to collect.

Does the housing in Shortlands change how bar tops works?

The addition wall is half a brick thick in places and has usually had a damp course injected and been re-plastered, which leaves it neither flat nor consistent. A bar in one of these houses is either the end of a through-lounge or a cellar conversion, and the two behave differently. The frame is built to the room and the stone answers to the frame. Casement handles and stays swing down into the space above the worktop, so the clearance that counts is the one measured with the window open. On a bar that counts twice over, because the same obstruction has to be cleared by the stone above it and by the knees of whoever is sitting at it. A corbel never lands where a knee goes.

How does the stone actually reach a kitchen in Shortlands?

A step up off the pavement means the piece is lifted to the threshold before it is carried anywhere, and that first lift is the one that wants four hands. That matters more on a bar than on a run, because a join forced by the way in cannot be allowed to land in the unsupported part of the nose. Steel for the overhang is carried in and fixed before the stone. With no scheme to work with there is nothing to book and nobody to ring, so the only levers left are an early arrival and a word with the neighbours. That has to cover more than the unload, since the corbels, the flat bar and the fixings all come off the van well before the top does. Where parking is tight the hardware walks in ahead of the stone.

Is bar tops what Shortlands is known for?

Not particularly, and it would be easy to pretend otherwise. What the research on this patch actually lists is worktop installation, worktop templating and worktop splashbacks & upstands. That is a point about the buildings round here, not about the job. The quoting, the cutting and the fitting are identical here to anywhere else we work. Rear and side-return extensions are where the islands appear, and an island is the piece that decides whether one slab does the kitchen or two. A bar is nearly always the last thing added to a project, so it is templated on a visit of its own once the joinery around it has stopped moving. Frames get opened up again when the support was left out. A new extension slab is not automatically level, and that wants checking before templating rather than after the stone is cut. Harder use and stronger cleaning products push the answer towards porcelain or sintered stone, because a resin-bound surface is the one that shows what has been left standing on it. Repeat detail, single survey, matched batch.

What am I actually paying for, line by line?

On a book-matched pair the halves are laid out so the mirror line runs down the length of the piece, and once that line is set the top cannot be turned round to suit anything else. A bar laid over that is a second level rather than a wider one, so it wants a spine underneath it and a settled detail where the two heights meet. Two heights means two edge profiles and a spine between them. The supply-only figure for material runs £110 to £550 per square metre, and templating, fabrication and fitting are lines of their own.

Is there anything I have to finish before the template in Shortlands?

A low sill over the sink run is what decides between an upstand and stone dying into a window board, and there is often less clearance than an upstand is tall. A bar top is levelled to itself rather than to what it stands on, so the packing goes into the frame and the stools take up whatever the floor is doing. The bar is packed level off the frame, not off the floor. Send the length you want, the number of stools, and photographs walking from the pavement through to the room, including the cellar stair if the bar is going down there. The same building type can arrive as a careful one-off kitchen or as a fast turnaround, and the honest answer is that they are priced differently. Where the person choosing it is not the person who will lean on it, the seating height is set to a standard rather than to whoever happens to be standing in the room. The support is specified for the next occupant as well.

What if the base units are out of level?

Packing takes up small variation. It is not there to hide something that belongs in the units. Stone does not flex, so a run that rocks on its carcasses rocks just as badly once it is stone. Small variation is taken up by packing under the top on the fitting day. Window boards and cills stand proud of the plaster, so the back edge of the top has to be plotted to where the units actually sit rather than to the wall. Where the nose has to be carried past something fixed the support moves rather than the stone, since a corbel landing in the knee space is worse than no corbel at all. A notch in a bar top is drawn with its support beside it.

Do I have to get rid of the old tops myself in Shortlands?

Take the old tops off yourself if you would rather, and the quote simply carries one line fewer. The tap and waste have to be disconnected by a plumber before we start and reconnected once the stone is in. If you want the old top kept for a garage or a utility, say so and it stays on site. Unrestricted kerbside is straightforward as long as the space in front of the property is actually clear when the van arrives. A trade bar is fitted around opening times, so the window the van has and the window the room has are rarely the same window. A bar top left on a pavement is a bar top with a chipped nose.

Can the sink be undermounted rather than sat on top?

A boiling tap needs a hole of its own and a cupboard below for the tank, so the units change too. If the sink or hob changes after the template, the drawing changes first and nothing is cut meanwhile. Where the hob lands is set out against the units and the wall behind, not off the kitchen plan. A waterfall leg is a separate piece bonded to the top on a mitre, so the floor it stands on has to be level enough for that mitre to close along its full height. Where the counter runs flush with the working surface instead of standing above it the whole thing becomes one plane, which looks better and doubles the unsupported span. Clear length between the returns sets the stool count.

What happens if a piece is damaged on the fitting day?

Our own installers do the carry, so there is nobody in the middle to argue with about it. Door frames and the stair route are protected too, since most contact happens on the way in. The workmanship guarantee runs 5 years on every kitchen we fit. A Victorian hall arch sits lower than the ceiling either side of it, and it is the point a piece carried on edge meets first. The steel and the corbels travel that same route and go in first, so a bar is three separate carries into one room rather than a single delivery. A bonded apron makes the piece deeper than the doorway expects.

Reviews

5.0 from 26 Google reviews

Every one of these is on our Google profile under the reviewer’s own name. Nothing here is written by us, and the link goes straight to the source.

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Perfect service,the best on this job

Kleant Istrefi

Google review

I recently had my kitchen worktop and splashback done by Karem from Worktop WorX and i am very pleased with the result. From the initial consultation and measurements to the final installation, the whole process was smooth and professional. The attention for details and the quality made the difference and everything was finished to a high standard. I definitely recommend Worktop WorX to anyone looking for reliable and high quality kitchen work

Alexandru Balint

Google review

Really impressed with the quality and finish of these worktops. Great range of materials, precise fabrication, and smooth communication throughout. The whole process was easy and the final result looks fantastic. Highly recommend!

Nastasia Drago

Google review

Next step

Stone bar tops in Shortlands, priced properly

Plans, a sketch or photographs with rough run lengths is enough to start. You get an itemised written quote and the template dates we can offer on this patch.

25-year material warranty and a 5-year workmanship guarantee, both stated on your quote.

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